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When Hitler planned to kill all the Jews of Europe and eventually the world he didn't wish only to kill there bodies, but also their soul, culture, but most important their human image and behavior. He wasn't satisfied with their simple death because he didn't want them to be remembered as "the people who have been butchered due to racist reasons", but he wanted them to be remembered as the "animals with almost human bodies" and the German \ Nazi people to be remembered as "the exterminators". To get rid of their human figure they starved them and denied them of their basic needs. To get rid of their culture they barely let them have a Jewish life. But how did they get rid of the soul? How is it possible to get rid of the Jewish surviving soul and nature? Well, what is the seed of the Jewish soul? The Belief in G-d has been the essence of Judaism for many years, the plan was to weaken the belief in G-d and therefore to weaken the Jewish soul. To do that they have done many horrible things to shock the Jew's beliefs, to make them doubt their view of the world, and one of those things was the hanging- they made them watch so that they could damage their belief. And when Elie answers "he is hanging here," it shows how successful the Nazi's were- when the Jewish people stop as a whole) believing G-d, then our enemies have won.
Uh, this part of the book was okay. I don't actually remember it because I finished the book a month ago. We've been delayed from replying due to snow days. Later.
I suppose that when Elie said the �G_d is hanging on the gallows� he meant that the Nazis weren�t trying to kill the Jews, they were in fact trying to kill their G_d by doing to the Jews what they did to them. The Nazis wanted also to kill the Jews faith, hope and there believes in G_d, and completely wipe out their entire recollection of their G_d. Elie also meant that G_d is suffering with every Jew that is tortured and murdered by the Nazis, and that he will always be with them. When Elie saw the little boy hanging, he had not just seen a young boy dying, he also saw a piece of G_d dying with him, and alongside of that a part of the Jewish religion and beliefs.
The First Hanging- The reaction: I think that Eli had mentioned there reaction because he wanted to show that in some way the Nazis had succeeded to make them lose their humanity. I think that their stomach and their desire to eat represents in some way, their desire to leave although they knew that it is going to be very, very, very hard to do so. And in some way, I appreciate it. I know that if it would have been me, I would have done anything in order to die and not to be the next one that will be hanged. The Second Hanging- I think that the little boy is used in the book in order to show to the reader and to all of the "Holocaust victims" who still remained their faith that the horrible horror is happening and that they cannot escape from it and that in some point in their life it will be them that will be hanged. Yours Shira
When you hear the word �child� you first think about integrity, purity, happiness. It is the most honest person in the world. Murder of someone so precious, so happy means to kill hopes, drimes, to be heartless and cruel. I don�t know what it means for you, in America, but in Israel �You have no G-d!� is usually said according to someone who doesn�t care for others and can do what ever he wants without referenceing the hurt it will cause for others and will harm, hurt and offend them on purpose. A man who has no G-d conceder himself as one and his acts are reflections of this attitude. �G-d is hanging on the gallows� means for me that the Nazies have no G-d. They have murderd him too, like the little child, and they are the headmasters of the world now, and that�s why they are killing little children for being Jews.
Now, please don�t attack me. It�s not my opinion- I�m just raising a �brain knocker�� Maybe it�s possible to learn from all of this on a person�s real beliefs. If believing in God is so powerful and impotent to one, how come the Nazis managed to kill HIM/HER so quickly?
Hey Matan, how are ya? well, it's been really nice working with. im sorry we didnt get to know each other a little better, you seem really thoughtful and interesting. id love to keep in touch if you wanna. my email address is firstname.lastname@example.org feel free to write me whenever you would like. i really enjoyed reading your opinions on this book and other such topics. id really like to hear more of your opinions on more subjects. talk to ya later! -Mira
Dear Binyamin and Max: Here are my thoughts about the issue of faith: The hanging of the young boy. When reading about Elie along with the rest of the ghetto being forced to watch the hanging of that little boy. it's almost inevitable to think Elie is starting to doubt his faith in G-d. When someone asks: "Where is G-d now?" and Elie answers: "He is hanging here, on this gallows", it seems as if he says that as a result of desperation, as a result of everything he had been through since he arrived the concentration camp. Elie's strength is starting to disappear along with his biggest belief - the belief in G-d. That fact concerned me the most. How could he go on now without his strong belief in G-d. Isn't it what helped him survive up until now?
Dear Noa, What Eli said is not a "Jewish" response because hashem can't die. In this portion of the book Eli must really doubt where hashem is. He must be thinking how hashem could cause or not stop something this horrific. My Zayde was an American Liberater during the Holocaust. He never lost faith in hashem when he saw everything that was happening. He went from Refrom Judaism to being a Conservative Jew after the war. SHABBAT SHALOM Take Care -Max Miller
Can you clarify what you mean? Why did Eli say that G d was hanging on the gallows? Perhaps what he mean't was that the Nazis were murdering G d. How you feel about this?
I think what Elie meant by saying that G-d was hanging on the gallows was that the Nazis weren�t just trying to murder the Jews, they were actually trying to kill G-d by doing so. The Nazis didn�t want just to kill the Jews they wanted to kill them, their faith and their G-d and completely erase their memory as if they have never even existed. By saying that G-d is hanging on the gallows Elie is actually saying that G-d is still with the Jews and always will be, even in their death. He is saying that G-d is suffering with each and every Jew who is being murdered by the Nazis. When Elie looked at the young boy hanging he didn�t just a little boy who was being murdered by the Nazis, he saw G-d being murdered. He saw a part of G-d dying with that young boy, and along with that, a small part of the Jewish religion and faith.
A very thoughtful answer. Well done.
I agree with you that the Nazi's were trying to kill the Jewish faith along with the actual Jews of the world. God may be suffering with the Jews, but it could also mean that God has left them: He becomes weaker with every Jew that dies, so if He is hanging on the gallows, Eli could be thinking that he is dead and no longer cares or is able to care for His people. Recently, we were required to write papers for class. Both Matt and I decided to write about how one's beliefs may change over a period of time (specifically the Holocaust). We both wrote about how Elie completely changed his opinions regarding god. Elie seems to have lost all his faith in god and no longer prays to Him.
I think that by Eli saying that god is hanging on the gallows he means god was murdered by the Nazis, the little boy is a metaphor of the murder of God, and the reason everybody were forced to watch the hanging was because all the Jews needed to see the murder of GOD their savior! I think the boys slow death, and struggle for life also symbols the struggle that the Jews are going threw the holocaust, not giving up on life or faith but slowly losing it, and become hopeless and desperate. I would like to add my opinion on another issue: possessions. I think that when Eli was offered by the Idek to give away his shoes and in return he will keep Eli and his father together he should have agreed, it was quite tempting to hear that him and his father will be kept together, I think Eli thought it seemed kind of forged so he decided to refuse. Ironically his shoes were taken with out getting anything in return; I think Eli regretted not taking the offer, and not having any safety net of him and his father staying together. Amit rahavy
A thoughtful response Amit.
I think what Eli said about God hanging on the gallows shows the deep faith he still had in him. I think what he meant is that God never left them, he is with them everywhere and suffering with them, feeling their pain. Every time the Nazis killed someone God was with him, he was with them �till the end, and he will never leave them. I think Eli couldn�t deal with the thought that maybe God had left them, that he is letting them down, letting the Nazis kill them, he had to believe that God is still there, maybe that is the reason why he still kept saying that god is there with them all the way even after all he went through.
A good answer.
hey Yael. i (dan) think that he did keep his faith in God's existance but not in his justice. when he says that God is hanging on the gallows what he means is that the preception of God as kind and just and merciful is dead and died with the little boy.
we also think that elie used his hatred of god to get him through. number 1 he had to have someone to be mad at and he couldnt be mad at the nazis because he couldnt see the driving force behind them. he also needed to survive to spite god
When the Jews started questioning their faith in G-d it was only because of the circumstances. These people, who had faith in G-d, couldn�t believe that G-d would let this happen to them. In the Bible, when the Jews did something that was wrong, G-d would punish them and they would ask for his forgiveness and help, he would do so. In the Holocaust, they asked why would something like this happen to them? Was G-d punishing them? And if so, why wasn�t he answering their cry of help? Elie grew up in a religious town, and he also didn�t understand why they even had to be in this situation. The Jews were looking for help from G-d and from some of the peoples view they were not receiving the answers they wanted. They started doubting G-d. Why would G-d give life to someone, to then let it be taken away? Even though, I do think when Elie answered to himself the question about where was G-d now, he meant that G-d was with the boy that was hanged and was suffering with each person that was murdered. Faith was what helped many through the Holocaust. It does seem that Elie is also starting to doubt his faith in G-d, but I think that in a certain way he survived due to his trust in G-d, which gave him strength to go on. Some people lost faith, and some saw the Holocaust as a test by G-d, and only became more religious.
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